tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.comments2024-03-05T00:35:33.495+01:00Different ThoughtsMarianhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comBlogger717125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-60554389963566953412014-04-25T10:35:15.801+02:002014-04-25T10:35:15.801+02:00Hi Edward, IMO (and experience) most rehab program...Hi Edward, IMO (and experience) most rehab programs, New York or elsewhere, and certainly those based on and pushing the twelve-step nonsense, are barking up the entirely wrong tree when they label which in truth is a coping strategy an "illness" that needs to be treated and, if possible, cured. Where there's no illness, there can be no cure. While a harmful coping strategy certainly can be made conscious and changed. Although it would have to be done by the individual themselves, so it doesn't necessarily feed a whole industry.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-63701170245544224382014-04-23T13:42:43.929+02:002014-04-23T13:42:43.929+02:00it would be great if that really is a cure for coc...it would be great if that really is a cure for cocaine. This would be a great breakthrough that would help industries such that Addiction Rehab New York in curing their patients.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01637831377675746694noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-3515657913574287682013-11-22T19:13:30.138+01:002013-11-22T19:13:30.138+01:00My story is another story of recovery from the so-...My story is another story of recovery from the so-called 'schizophrenia'. You can read about it in my autobiographic book: 'Healing from schizophrenia. A personal account' by Lia Govers, publisher Lulu.com. Available on Amazon-sites, on the Lulu-site and on other libraries on line.<br />I recovered in North-Italy with the help of several years of a psychodynamic psychotherapy.Lia Goversnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-26816620695319860052013-10-26T20:25:29.705+02:002013-10-26T20:25:29.705+02:00Unfortunately, there is so much truth in this vide...Unfortunately, there is so much truth in this video, Marian.<br /><br />Thank you for posting.<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DuaneDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-48496038749147740852013-03-11T17:39:20.656+01:002013-03-11T17:39:20.656+01:00Voices of imagination. No imagination=no voices.Voices of imagination. No imagination=no voices.Mark p.s.2https://www.blogger.com/profile/10529811159862096782noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-62950321605201298402013-01-05T05:33:46.917+01:002013-01-05T05:33:46.917+01:00Dear Marian,
Asi es la vida (Such is life)!
U...Dear Marian,<br /> Asi es la vida (Such is life)!<br />Users who want to outwit us and USE<br />US. That is my opinion of that crazy<br />Geoffrey! You are correct;he needs professional help, more than I do. Nice horse pictures. Good luck!<br /> Sincerely,<br /> <br />Errolb, retired M.D.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17909943828378526678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-76149141101499195172012-09-05T08:43:21.800+02:002012-09-05T08:43:21.800+02:00I appreciate this blog so much, and hope you will ...I appreciate this blog so much, and hope you will post more.<br /><br />ALT- Occupy APA!!!<br /><br />I am all about relabeling ourselves. These diagnoses are sorry attempts to put us in boxes.<br /><br />FREE YOUR MINDS!!!<br /><br />http://spiritualjourniesofasensitivesoul.blogspot.com/coco panhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13796018992074988687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-66552989192267312942012-08-21T13:04:07.985+02:002012-08-21T13:04:07.985+02:00Hi Buteyko_Man, thank you for your comment!
Jus...Hi Buteyko_Man, thank you for your comment! <br /><br />Just a few years ago, it was rather difficult to find more detailed information about Open Dialogue on the net or elsewhere, except for the books (that I hadn't read) written or co-authored by Jaakko Seikkula. That has since changed, thanks to the growing international interest in the approach, so I got many of the questions I had about it answered -- not least by Daniel Mackler's film, and by talking to him and others who have a more profound knowledge of Open Dialogue -- and I'm a lot less critical toward it today than I was two years ago.<br /><br />I learned for instance that Open Dialogue, too, arranges for separate meetings, if there's a family member who acts abusive toward the others, and is unwilling to end the abuse immediately, and also that, if ever there's any doubt, any conflict, they usually side with the person in crisis.<br /><br />My only criticism today would be that they still make use of the term "psychiatry", and that they, although on very rare occasion, send people into a <i>hospital</i>, instead of to some kind of crisis respite house. But those are basically formalities, and more important, I'd like to see them make even less use of psych drugs, preferably none at all. Especially when you can make contact with people as early as they do it in Western Lapland, I think it is absolutely possible to avoid drugs entirely.<br /><br />However, I am and will always be highly critical of "certain elements implemented" in a conventional context, and then renaming this still fundamentally pretty much bio-medical oriented approach "Open Dialogue", just because both the "patient" and their entire network is invited to join the "experts" in their discussion of the "illness" and "treatment". Open Dialogue without a radical change away from a bio-medical view of crisis, and toward a psycho-social one is not Open Dialogue. Unfortunately, it is what Open Dialogue, or "certain elements implemented", looks like in the conventional Danish system.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-12644041416451744252012-08-21T06:35:27.997+02:002012-08-21T06:35:27.997+02:00IN the 60s and forward, M. Scott Peck, M.D. was ab...IN the 60s and forward, M. Scott Peck, M.D. was able to keep many persons from having to go into the hospital by getting the family to gather around 40 people in a space and then Peck and his assistant would come in and do his community building sessions. They came together because of the breakdown of the person and in the process, there was a transformation of the entire community around this person. You can still see some of this in the films of Bob Roberts who created the program in Prison called Project Return. An amazingly humanizing program. It is possible to work with the toxic community around the person, however safety is essential and so if the community cannot protect members from some abuser who tends to split the community, that person is worked with outside of the community until such time as they can be integrated in some way. That can only happen when they too are assisted in their healing as their wounding of others comes always and I mean always from their having been previously wounded. In psychodrama of the reject, this also occurs as it does in the work of Systemic Constellation work begun by Hellinger and perfected by many others and still growing. Buteyko_Manhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12782324596137286775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-43577030990100756122012-07-19T01:18:18.238+02:002012-07-19T01:18:18.238+02:00"Patients"? I wonder what his "pati..."Patients"? I wonder what his "patients" suffer from, since "patients" is an appropriate label for them.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-89207063012613784572012-07-18T17:31:36.783+02:002012-07-18T17:31:36.783+02:00Marian
There is little doubt that there are many V...Marian<br />There is little doubt that there are many VALID targets in the current paradigm of Psychiatry ( NIMH cronyism ,KOLs ,the corrupt influence of Pharma in academia).<br /><br /> The use of a random “Cut & Paste “comment from an academic blog as evidence of an individual’s “linguistic alienation” and therefore poor treatment of his patients is irresponsible. Save your comments for providers who are part of the problem not part of the solution.<br /><br /> As a patient of this individual I can assure you I have never experienced “linguistic alienation” ,been silenced as a “cognitively deficient mental case” , been “treated like shit in general” ,sent out the door with “a glass of pills” or been given “a number”….so I will take the time to answer YOUR question:<br /><br />“I wonder how he communicates with his wife, kids ,friends, whoever”?<br /><br />I would imagine with the same compassion with which he treats his patients. Save your fire for those who rightly deserve it……… “Once you label me you negate me” is a two way street.SpiritualEmergencyx2noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-59234397367663591902012-06-23T20:53:24.810+02:002012-06-23T20:53:24.810+02:00Perhaps Ben is attempting to imply it is miraculou...Perhaps Ben is attempting to imply it is miraculous to cause physical decline, I wonder if he laughs at people who have been disabled or less not so grievously impaired by psychiatric drugs as well?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04985667747299418582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-79386134635666940532012-06-23T00:26:50.710+02:002012-06-23T00:26:50.710+02:00ben, you're talking hogwash. Read up on the sc...ben, you're talking hogwash. Read up on the science, and get your facts straight, before you next time make a fool of yourself.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-40959646536390382972012-06-23T00:02:08.065+02:002012-06-23T00:02:08.065+02:00Mankind has survived without these drugs....
Yes, ...Mankind has survived without these drugs....<br />Yes, and a few decades ago, it was commonplace for families to bury one or more children before the age of 5; and childbirth was a dangerous ordeal that lead to fatalities rather often compared to now... We used to die of TB, maimed by Polio, and watch our children suffer to death w/ Rubella (horrendous disease) & Mumps...<br />Asthma, Epilepsy and diabetes where death sentences less than 100 years ago.<br /><br />Western Medicine and the Scientific Method have brought us a LONG WAY... I for one, don't want to go back to the old way.<br /><br />I LIKE having a lifespan of almost 90 years and I see nations where our medicine and logic hasn't penetrated and all I see is needless suffering and backwards beliefs (snakes such as homeopaths who prescribe water & believe dilution increases potency; naturopaths who want to 'clean' your colon; accupuncturists that talk of chi and meridians...Chriopractors who believe your headaches are caused by your back being out of alignment! bunky bunk bunk)<br /><br />The SSRIs are nothing short of miracle drugs. It's because they are so damn great that they are over prescribed -- i.e. you don't have that issue w/ Lithium (!!) -- For millions - popping a pill a day makes the depression and OCD go away, and the costs are minimal.<br /><br />Progress is a beautiful thing.benhttp://yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-28430952965841265002012-06-07T15:23:43.969+02:002012-06-07T15:23:43.969+02:00I cannot TELL you how glad I am to find your blogs...I cannot TELL you how glad I am to find your blogsite and this article!!! I have over the time tried various Google recipe searches to find critiques of Grof (found plenty on Wilbur)--few and far between, the the critique against this typical divide-and-control elitism between the 'pm middleclassians and their 'spiritual emergenciees' and the 'poor's' 'paranoid schizophrenia's. So I felt like dancing round the friggin room when I hit on your article, because it is great to find other people seeing through this BS.<br />I have read Grof books, and also am familiar with critiques of him from radical feminist authors like Monica Sjoo.<br />I also am familiar with Sean's videos. I have been perplexed by him, because in most of his videos he will say some cool things, and THEN...and THEN his hierarchical chart is in your face where the 'real schizos' are at the bottom, and included--which you failed to mention in the article, but is VERY relevant--are Indigenous peoples which are termed 'childish', and 'paranoid'. he says--along with his mentor Wilbur--that this is so because they believe spirits are 'outside the brain' instead, as he arrogantly puts it (being part of the most insane patriarchal civilization ever to hit the universe, most likely) whereas the happy shiney smiley pure pm new agers have 'insight that the visions they have come from their own minds'. Now this comes from a total ignoreance--yes even from science--of what consciousness of matter is! So how can he talk about what is 'really real'. Why what he and his influencers say is so dangerous is because this denigration of Indigenous peoples fits with the past stigmatation of them also portrayed in a scientific' way. Please see this harrowing, but VERy revealing video which shows this pattern directly: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eX5T68TQIo" rel="nofollow">Scientific Racism: The Eugenics of Social Darwinism</a><br />You will see the dreadful connective attitude with these new age pm-ers who imply that indigenous peoples are somehow lower down the evolutionary charts, and hence deserve their demise at the hands of the 'more advances'. They are doing this on the deep levels which they profess to talk about. SUCH fuking arrogance!! makes me very angry.<br />But yes that is usually always together with classism, because if you watch this very important film, and I hope you and others will, you will see how they applied their seem absurd measuring stragies to 'prove scientifically' how lower indigenous people were in comparison with their precious white arse on the 'lower classes', and the 'mentally ill' also---which included their tedious measuring of their skulls just as they did with the Indigenous people they allowed to starve, and committed genocide on!<br /><br />So I am extremely glad I have stumbled on your place, and you can count me as a friend indeed :)muzuzuzushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03662316983453845369noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-1992668553834577742012-05-19T05:13:29.553+02:002012-05-19T05:13:29.553+02:00Marian,
Thank you so much for your comments on Ma...Marian,<br /><br />Thank you so much for your comments on Mad in America re: forced "treatment".<br /><br />In solidarity,<br /><br />Duane<br /><br />“I know but one freedom, and that is the freedom of the mind.” – Antoine de Saint-ExuperyDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-28967577628777978382012-05-19T02:38:31.252+02:002012-05-19T02:38:31.252+02:00The membership of the APA is clearly suffering fro...The membership of the APA is clearly suffering from 'Psychosis Intolerance Disorder" characterized by a fear of human consciousness.<br />Also the are suffering from Fascist Control Disorder' characterized by a wish to control the thoughts feelings and behaviour of others <br />And finally they are suffering fro a Spock-Data Syndrome characterized by a fear of human emotion- those things that are simply 'not logical'.<br /><br />The latter is also known as 'flattened aspect' , a characteristic of Schizophrenia, so it's obvious the majority of psychiatrists are simply non-hallucinating schizophrenics.<br /><br />--<br />The APA arguing the DSM-5 is just a bunch of fascists arguing the best way to exterminate the mentally ill. The extended and inappropriate use of psychotropics on the population is murder - they and the executives of PharmaCorp need to put put on trial for their crimes.Skybluehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12366888956552012585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-33821285666187468732012-04-04T18:51:45.446+02:002012-04-04T18:51:45.446+02:00A good summary of the arguments against the entire...A good summary of the arguments against the entire DSM framework (not just DSM-V) can be found in the introductory chapter to <em>Acceptance and Commitment Therapy</em> by Steven Hayes, et. al., 2011. <br /><br />Other folks who support the ACT agenda (e.g., Kelly Wilson in <em>Mindfulness for Two</em>) take this work further and suggest an alternative framework for viewing mental difficulties. They propose an alternative formulation that looks at psychiatric issues as universal challenges faced by all humans, though to different degrees. They go on to identify a spectrum of coping strategies that vary in effectiveness. <br /><br />In attacking the DSM it is useful to have some alternatives in mind, and the ACT community offers one worth considering.WillSpirithttp://willspirit.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-53801915022130804302012-03-05T07:48:15.033+01:002012-03-05T07:48:15.033+01:00Almost three years later i ran across this convers...Almost three years later i ran across this conversation about my post. You all make many good points about my comments. For what it is worth, i don't speak like this with people i work with clinically. Marian takes a particularly big leap going from my comments in the thread to an assumption of how i work with my patients. Unless you know me in personal life or have been treated by me you are solidly in the realm of speculation on this point. Debate, especially when it is scientific, usually depends on being very specific and i apoligize if my comments were overly stilted. Still i am rightly criticized for being very wordy sometimes and could say things better-my intent was not to confuse or stonewall through gibberish. Finally, please don't pigeonhole me too severely on the basis of a few paragraphs on an internet thread-we probably have more in common when it comes to mental health issues than you might think.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br />Rickey Gillespie<br />Atlanta, GeorgiaRickey Gillespienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-66406746189108596332012-02-19T02:39:10.256+01:002012-02-19T02:39:10.256+01:00Marian,
A psychiatric label is a mis-diagnosis an...Marian,<br /><br />A psychiatric label is a mis-diagnosis and conventional psychiatric treatment is mis-treatment.<br /><br />Until we begin to look for underlying causes (both physical and emotional) and provide hope, we'll be stuck in the mess we're in.<br /><br />Stories of the harm caused by mis-diangosis(from Dr. Caplan's website) -<br /><br />http://www.psychdiagnosis.net/psychiatric_stories.html#Anchor-48213<br /><br />DuaneDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-49893956865548616892012-02-18T18:04:16.403+01:002012-02-18T18:04:16.403+01:00Duane, I couldn't agree more!Duane, I couldn't agree more!Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-12535484208728023192012-02-18T18:03:05.001+01:002012-02-18T18:03:05.001+01:00ALT, Moffic's piece is gross. Lots to say abou...ALT, Moffic's piece is gross. Lots to say about it, and you do a brilliant job! I'd only add that "diagnosis" has never been psychiatry's "product". It's been public property since humanity started to engage in name-calling. Because that's what it is: name-calling.<br /><br />It used to happen to me all the time: Oh cool, someone's criticizing the shrinks! And when I took a closer look at the "criticism", oh well... I've become a lot more skeptic over time. Too many disappointments.Marianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16273435151682585281noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-87666994872007986062012-02-18T00:56:09.347+01:002012-02-18T00:56:09.347+01:00I think Paula Caplan, Ph.D. is on to something... ...I think Paula Caplan, Ph.D. is on to something... What she has to say about psychiatric labels makes a lot of sense to me.<br /><br />I'm for getting rid of all of these psychiatric labels, once-and-for all.<br /><br />They're not helpful.<br />They're harmful.<br /><br />DuaneDuane Sherryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10482281700165504817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-6214354726213964662012-02-16T16:25:45.956+01:002012-02-16T16:25:45.956+01:00Yes, I do. I think he may find that helpful.Yes, I do. I think he may find that helpful.NamiDearesthttp://namidearest.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1502332727845937105.post-19688751382267993852012-02-16T15:58:47.289+01:002012-02-16T15:58:47.289+01:00Bravo! Bravo!
I've been thinking similar tho...Bravo! Bravo!<br /><br />I've been thinking similar thoughts the past week... Something like: <br />1. Wow, there's a lot of press on protesting the DSM-5! <br />2. but they're not against it for the same reasons as me... <br />3. Oh well, at least they're against it! <br />4. Hold on. Nope. That kind of protest just doesn't work for me. They're against the DSM-5; I'm against the <i>institution</i> of the DSM, period. They're arguing that the DSM-5 is marginalizing, stigmatizing, unscientific. I argue that the practice of diagnosing people itself is all of these things and worst of all... dehumanizing!<br /><br />I can't wait to give them a piece of my mind in Philadelphia on May 5th! <a href="http://altmentalities.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/occupy-medicine/" rel="nofollow">The APA's called for their own occupation, you know </a> -- apparently they're in the 99% as far as salaried medical professionals go and they'd like to change that in their "Occupy Medicine" movement -- but I much prefer to occupy THEM. <br /><br />Fantastic blog.ALThttp://altmentalities.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com